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Humans. And why is it so important, do you think, to understand the why behind such an evil act? I'm really proud of Job, he believes in me, and he trusts me in so much, and he has such great faith in me. Our food source then moves into our bodies. And so he says that and you're like, "Okay, yes come over now. "The experiment requires that you continue.". The fact that he kept on doing it over and over and over again was like, "Come on.". They're engaged with the test, they're trying to be good participants. This is Radiolab, and today we're going to get back, so to speak. The fourth prod is. And so Satan, basically, systematically destroys Job's life. No. This is a continuation of an interview with Gary Leon Ridgeway. It is, arguably, the most significant scientific breakthrough of them all. He is a solder, he works for a general, the general's name is Othello. Of course, normally you just have one experimenter who's giving you these instructions. "Definitely yes.". In the other room, there was a guy who he called the learner who is supposed to have memorized some words. Uh, he's a master plotter. "This was exactly what was in my mind. No, because if you couldn't afford a ticket for a play, you'd seen all the plays, in the 1500s, you could always go to a public hanging. His experiment remains one of the most famous experiments of the 20th century. Were you a little bit, like, horrified? The expectation is somebody is made to make his peace with his maker before he dies. Well, he started- he started fuming that his wife had- had dissed him. Now, of course, you could find some nitrogen out in the world. And what he means is that when nitrogen atoms are just free floating in the air, they will cling to each other. Because this room's echo-y. The expectation is somebody is made to make his peace with his maker before he dies; that's what you do. They wanted someone who was really thrillingly bad, but in the end, was, uh, redeemed a bit. So you see it's just in that one experiment that 65 percent of people are willing to go all the way. By this point, David moved on to a new university and he's teaching an introductory psychology class. Yes. Yes, and he did too. This is basically what Stanley Milgram set out to test. He- he loves the fatherland and he loves Germany. With all of the black-and-white moralizing in our world today, we decided to bring back an old show about the little bit of bad that's in all of us.and the little bit of really, _really _bad that's in some of us. And in this one you get 0% going all the way. My dorsal hair stood up when I read the end of this. Yellow mucus was frothing out of their mouth, those who could still breathe would turn blue. Okay. When did he live, and what did he look and that kind of stuff? Let's begin with this story from our producer, Pat Walters. They couldn't deploy it. He says, "Well, we can drive those enemy soldiers out of trenches with gas.". And, you know, the class ended and I went back to my office. It's called Too Much Information. Many of them after they were murdered. Wow. It was developed in his Institute. Or nice chair? Like, you can't throw that air onto a plant (laughing). If this is the singular moment in Shakespeare where he gives you an un-understandably evil man, no motives, no reason; any idea what the hell he was intending? Accuracy and availability may vary. And he goes home for a few days a hero. His wife, um, went into hiding. Making him the most prolific serial killer in American history. Walk- walk away. Well, I'd have to discontinue the experimenter then. I'm almost done, guys. I'm going to resign.". You literally get a drip, drip, drip, of ammonia. That's like an adult blue whale of chlorine. Yeah, I don't think we quite [crosstalk 00:49:32]. I'm going to resign.". And I devoted one class session to the topic of homicide and why people kill. Yeah. I'll give you bad. He was doing his great science work right around the turn of the 20th century; so right around 1900. [inaudible 00:49:36] bad people in Shakespeare. And is found by her son. He figures out a way to take a lot of air that's filled with these little nitrogen bonds clinging to each other and pump it to a big iron tank. And not just yeses. And this particular story, it comes from a book that David wrote. ", Meanwhile, later that night on the other side of town-. This actually brings us to our first top of the hour, so just to set it up, Robert, I'm going to give you this piece of paper here. And my views about human nature are that it affords infinite potential for lightness and dark. Radiolab Presents: More Perfect - The Gun Show 69:05 : Feb 23, 2018: The Curious Case of the Russian Flash Mob at the West Palm Beach Cheesecake Factory 00:00:00 : Feb 19, 2018: Smarty Plants 34:54 : Feb 13, 2018: Ghosts of Football Past 36:40 : Feb 3, 2018: Radiolab Presents: More Perfect - One Nation, Under Money 55:04 : Jan 31, 2018 ", Um, but Haber just kind of ignored her and-, He actually threw a dinner party in celebration-. What did you remember since we last talked [inaudible 00:57:19]? So, there's a way in which it touch a spark of humanity. So, these are some word pairs. What you know, you know.". That's Stanley Milgram talking about the experiment in a film in case you've never heard of this. Have you ever thought about killing someone? All rights reserved. What kind of tech company does the world need today? So basically, at 6 p.m. on April 22nd-. You know, uh, "I'm going to kill her.". And even though in the end they got him to confess to these 49 murders, they never really get any closer to an answer than this first why. And what he decided to do is go into the ocean, into sea water, which contains very small levels of gold. But it wasn't until a few years later that he learned something that really put what happened that night into context. He is- he wants to feed- he wants to feed Germany. This is Jeff Jensen, and he's a reporter in LA. Even now. Members of his extended family did. Okay, so what happened to David that night with his friend got him really curious about murder, and badness, and all these things we're thinking about. You're not the first one. He even schemes against his own wife. All right. Listen Now. That is true. [inaudible 00:59:22] it's building up [inaudible 00:59:24]. Want to talk about bad people in Shakespeare. His was the first generation when a young Jewish boy could truly imagine that he could just be a regular part of that society, he could do anything. The Blank Slate follows one of the world's leading experts on language and the mind as he explores the idea of human nature and its moral emotional and political coverings. His calculations showed that it couldn't be done. And to this day, they have not talked about that day, and he hasn't talked about it with anyone until I interviewed him for the book. But as far as I know, there are none for Radiolab.I think I once read a statement from Jad and/or Robert that they view the show as an audio experience, and so believe it can't be captured in a transcript. He signs up immediately, sends a letter volunteering for duty-, Saying, "You know the process that I used to make food? Although, clearly, on some level they know it isn't. Time's up. His calculation showed that it couldn't be done. And not to everybody's taste. Okay? So around the turn of the century for German scientists like Haber, this was the challenge. Well if the idea is that people will do bad if they think it's good, if it's a good noble cause. with Lulu Miller, and Latif Nasser. They start disagreeing with each other. Gary said, "I needed to kill them," they go, "Why?" I might even tilt towards saying he's a little good to be honest. But in all of these other scenarios, they don't. Let's begin with this story from our producer Pat Walters. All right, just to back up for one second. So, I'm just going to go into this other room over here. In fact, his chemist had given this particular pesticide a smell. For information about Sloan, at www.sloan.org. 1933 comes and Hitler takes over. But- but there's part of me that says, you know, here's a guy who just wanted to do everything better than had ever been done before. Our thanks to Ben Walker, whose podcast he has a podcast and it's a good one. That's what's horrifying about it, but imagine they were administering pain to themselves. Right, Clara comes from the same town, and they're both secularized Jews. He takes over leadership of this institute in Berlin, and he starts hobnobbing with a whole different level of society. And he hasn't talked about it with anyone until I interviewed him for the book. Now, as we sort of know in life, lots of things that we if they're worthwhile doing, they're not always easy. Well, have you ever been blackmailed the way this woman was being blackmailed? Continuing using the last switch on the board please. ", Only 10 percent, under those circumstances, go on. This is just a tsunami of evil that passes through the play. And I heard about him from science writer, Sam Kean. Obviously no need to be alarmed. Was he trying to make a commentary or something? Well all right, I'm starting to feel a little bit better about my fellow man. The good Iagos make you want to shower the minute you leave the theater. Only then does God speak up and kind of say, like, "You're gonna question me?" How many of them went into that kind of detail? Transcript. I mean, that was make believe. This you and this two other participants. You know what's going to happen if she pisses you off. Milgram staged the whole thing like it was some experiment about memory and punishment, but of course it wasn't about that. You're cut down before then. And so, I went up to the bedroom and he was, you know, in a rage. And-. Something's happening to that man in there. And it's this defense. Now the volunteer couldn't see the guy he was shocking, but he'd definitely hear him. And "Because women have stepped on me all my life." No motives. But he organizes soldiers, he organizes whole gas units. But I mean, he's up to 195 volts. But he organizes soldiers, he organizes whole gas units. Who they would kill, where they'd do it, when. I've just got the, uh, the data from the Milgram. And today evil, although, I don't know if that's the right word for this next thing. In a way we wait for it still. Although once again we're getting a little ahead of ourselves. I would say in a powerful mood; we're close to some really fundamental truths about human nature. And if they still were resisting or struggling, they'd get proud number three. Uh, she, uh, expressed disapproval about his, um, clothing choices. Maria Matasar-Padilla is our managing director. Mm-hmm (affirmative), Mm-hmm (affirmative). We're close to some really fundamental truths about human nature. No. Takes away his wife, his children, all his material possessions. An experiment is being conducted in the elegant interaction laboratory at Yale University. I think I call it pince-nez, so I'm not sure. And he says, "Can I come over and sleep on your couch? He was trying to repeat this master stroke. It gets bogged down. This is Everybody was desperate for sources, new sources of nitrogen. All right. And, um, in January of 1984, the Green River task force was formed. Yeah, me too. Then the executioner castrates you, cuts you open, and takes out your internal organs, and then separate your head; which is put on a post. And, uh, she had got a disgusted look on her face and said that he was up in the bedroom. Speaker 2: His health is failing in 1934, he takes a trip to Switzerland to a sanatorium-. But if you look at Milgram's work closely. She says, "What happened today?" The Bad Show.ogg download. And why I cared for her because I dated her before, but this day didn't turn out right. And in the trial, when the prosecutors, essentially, ask him how you came to commit genocide he would say, over and over again-. In those days if you're a convicted male felon, you are, you know, strung up by- You're not allowed to hang till you die. When you press one of the switches, all the way down, the learner gets a shock. He walked out of the room and just started weeping. I'm gonna-. The subjects are 40 males between the ages of 20 and 50. Radiolab is supported by Casper. We lived together for a couple months, he was very aggressive, he started calling me a whore, and told me he didn't love me anymore, so I broke up with him. When I said, "Goodbye." It's okay to admit this. Sap in the next room just because they were being told to? Finally acknowledging, "Yeah, that's true." So, Jeff wrote this book because his father, Tom Jensen, was one of the lead detectives tracking Gary Ridgeway. Just push the button that corresponds to the right word. Well, you know, you can see that's a good thing. Also from, uh, a Jewish family. Okay. Like, you walked into the room, what- what do you find? Yeah, I agree with that. I'm not going to help restore the sense that there is a moral order to the world and a moral norm. That's my thing and that's where I'm going to stand on it. I mean, I'm not suggesting one should, but I'm just saying there is a sense in which these people are prepared to do something that's very painful to them, and to someone else, because they want to promote science; well, you can see that's a good thing. You know, he's a man adrift. You can see this in the surveys that the men filled out after the experiments were over. That's one of the things we have to know and that's why it's okay to let out. These little nitrogen atoms will fiercely hold together, and it's almost impossible to pry them apart. Dan doesn't think so, but what's clear is that he saw no reason to question what he had done and that infuriated Clara. So, every day they would bring him into this conference room. Well, actually the one thing that the study really doesn't show is that people obey orders. Like, you know, "Who are you?". With higher and higher voltage. He was trying to repeat this masterstroke. We have nothing. [inaudible 00:21:03] just cut it out. Radiolab is a radio program produced by WNYC, a public radio station in New York City, and broadcast on public radio stations in the United States. And he ran them through something like what you and I just did. Let's just finish this. And he said, "To start, you want to know about bad? That one simple, "Why?" It's 0924 hours on June 17th, year 2003. Is that like a- like a green cloud? With all of the black-and-white moralizing in our world today, we decided to bring back an old show about the little bit of bad that's in all of usand the little bit of really,reallybad that's in some of us. They couldn't deploy it. And there behind the German lines is-. The guy yelling, of course, was an actor, and the shocks weren't real. Leaving his son alone with his dead mother. I- I know it was more than [inaudible 00:59:44]. Yeah let's . So during World War I, Haber's Institute had developed a formulation of insect killing gas called zyklon. The Bad Show Listen Transcript Image credits: Adam Cole Cruelty, violence, badness. Well, let's talk about Fritz Haber. Okay, one of those very tiny old fashioned pair of glasses that would pinch on your nose. The first victims of the Green River killer were found in the summer of 1982. in what is basically like the Baghdad of his time (laughing). So, how do you feel about him now because I don't know I can't help but feel bad for the guy? I'm just trying to imagine that. But in a us sort of way. Maybe it's all about doubt in the end. Yeah, I carried your oxygen and you walked beside me through the lobby commenting on the decor. So, they sit down in the chair thinking, "Wow. Jul 28, 2018 Obviously no need to be alarmed, that was not a real shot. And I was just astonished-. Now you're saying actually that you could read that, that very dark fact, as being actually evidence of something quite- quite noble. Thanks. in this episode we begin with a chilling statistic: 91% of men, and . He would say over and over again. Those who could still breathe would turn blue. Um, with a black belt in karate. If it doesn't show that people are just obeying orders-, All right, let's go on to our instructions. And so, 1918 Fritz Haber gets a Nobel Prize, but this is why he's such an interesting guy. Robert Krulwich: Uh, wait. Now we don't exactly know why, there are hints of reasons that maybe he thinks Othello's sleeping with his wife; we're not sure. I just needed to kill her." You're going to keep giving what? He claimed they were in the middle of a sex act, he would get distracted, something would happen, he just kind of went crazy, he had snapped; and almost blaming the victims. If you breathed it in, it sort of irritates your lungs to the extent that they sort of fills up with fluid so quickly that you sort of drowning in your own phlegm. The shocker would say, "Hell no I don't.". I don't know, I can't help but feel bad for the guy. Iago. With my arm. Yeah, well (laughing). And he says, "That's what people wanted. And shortly after his return, Clara, allegedly, confronts him and says, "Look, you are morally bankrupt. How do you tell the real baddies from the rest of us? A liquid that has captured the nitrogen right out of the air. He just kind of went crazy. And that's all the difference in the world. Like, he didn't intend for that to happen. He did this experiment a bunch of times in a bunch of different ways. Search metadata Search text contents Search TV news captions Search radio transcripts Search archived web sites Advanced Search. He could do anything. And he wrote this graphic novel that I read about one of the most prolific serial killers in U.S. history; Gary Leon Ridgeway, the Green River Killer. Check out the Casper or the Wave mattress providing supportive comfort for every body type. We asked, "Who do you think about killing?" And on June 13, 2003, Gary was secretly taken out of his jail cell, and brought to a sort of very nondescript, concrete, ugly office building. [inaudible 01:00:01] is I- I went back one time before [inaudible 01:00:05] that I, uh, like I said, I got to get it out. Who is going to do this powerful piece of science. There's trench warfare. And they would circle yes or no. And he says, "Because of the rage." 450 volts every shock now? Wow. You're not the first one. And it's a craft, but it's a craft with consequences, and to approach it with kind of crazy joy? Push button, get mortgage. In- in other words, nitrogen has really strong attachments to itself. Trivalent. See now around this point I just don't have anything to do with this guy, I just want to take a shower, walk-. Well, I can use that same process to make explosives because the thing that you put into the ground to grow more food is also the thing you can explode to make a bomb.". He could have never imagined that. Warning. That's Stanley Milgram talking about the experiment in a film. I was just astonished. With all of the black-and-white moralizing in our world today, we decided to bring back an old show about the little bit of bad that's in all of us.and the little bit of really, really bad that's in some of us. Now there's a footnote to this that is very strange. I left him, went home. Go. Listen to free wherever you go to podcast and sign up at openearsproject.org. This has allowed the world to have seven billion people. Despite the chlorine gas, he didn't intend for that to happen. With my arm. Well, that's because you- be-because Molly's been in the chair. And he believed it. Of course, nobody wants to be killing other people; we realize this is hard work. Support Radiolab today atRadiolab.org/donate. So, he ends up admitting it. And I designed a little, um, questionnaire where I simply ask the students, you know, "Have you ever thought about killing someone?" Come over now.". And not just 'cause he was vain, which everyone agrees he was, but because he loves his country. That's it? Nobody had done what she was about to do on the scale that he was about to do it. In front of this really impressive looking machine. Hi, my name is Josh, and I'm calling from Harlem, New York. And in experiment number four, when the teacher has to hold the learner's hand down-, If the experimenter is not a scientist, but is an ordinary man-. He would change where the shocker and the shockee sat. In a rage, uh, how? So Stanley Milgram actually begins these experiments-. She was a- I knew she had a daughter in the last [crosstalk 01:01:03]. Why did you take these women off the streets and wanted to destroy them? I'll give you bad. Just because of a mathematical summing up. He loves the fatherland, and he loves Germany. Thank you Ben. He said that if I ever had a relationship with another man, he was going to send videos of us having sex to all the people in my university. So, as we begin this episode of the Bad Show, check out The Blank Slate by Steven Pinkner, one of the world's leading experts on language and the mind. This text may not be in its final form and may be updated or revised in the future. Now, that right there, slap some quotations around that. And then, realized that he had to leave the house or he was going to do damage to her. Was it nice day, nice sky, nice job, or nice chair? His was the first generation when a young Jewish boy could truly imagine that he could just be a regular part of that society. So, he decided he was going to invent a process to pay for these reparations by himself and what he decided to do is go into the ocean, into seawater, which contains, um, uh, some very small levels of gold. And, "Well why the rage?" The experiment requires that we continue. Like shocking an innocent stranger over and over. And then he starts this period of roaming. That I remember picking her up and-. I'm Jad Abumrad. 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